[Selatein]

On behalf of the staff, I'm posting this. Recently, a member, Flame the Hedgehog has been banned. Now, there are those of you who want him back, but I'm sorry, he won't be coming back.

Now, the reason that he was banned is because he plagiarized. Plagiarism is a major offense (see this thread), and will not be tolerated. Claiming work as your own is not cool, someone else deserves the credit. Also, it's pretty obvious when someone plagiarizes. The fact is that when writing styles don't match up, people get suspicious.

Now, however, the issue does not end there. Do not send the staff lots of PMs (private messages) trying to get attention for the cause of getting this decision overturned. Please familiarize yourself with the PM policies (as set largely into place by yours truly ), as they are there for a reason. If you want to question those rules, or discuss them, please do so in that thread (Note: I won't ban you for reviving it ).

So, friends of Flame, I'm sorry, but we've had problems with Flame, and we've given him (from my point of view) all too many chances to make amends. Do not send the staff PMs requesting the return of Flame any more.

[Sway]

Yes, well said!

Edit: Ditto! VVV

This post has been edited by Sway: 23 January 2005 - 03:07 AM

[Birdie]

This goes for any other member who has recently been banned, too I should imagine. If the staff make the desicion to ban someone the ban sticks until we see fit. A barrage of PM's, topics, E-Mail, carrier pigeons, or any other type off communication will not effect the choice of the staff. If rules are broken, we punish. We give chances, and if the rules are broke again you're out. Absolutely no question about it, you're gone.

Flame did just that, got himself banned. We gave him a chance, and he fucked up again. Doing the exact same thing he got banned for last time. Therefore not learning his lesson. Telling us the person who was banned was 'cool' won't work either. Not at all. If a rule is broken we couldn't give a fuck if the person banned was the worlds most hilarious stand-up comedian. Rules are rules, follow them and we'll get along just fine. Break them and we turn into bastards.

[EnigmaEchidna]

Also if you claim the work is yours and we have a feeling that it is not what everyone knows what you are capable of, then Adrian "Sway" Monk will let out of his cage begin doing the detective work and contacting his sources

[Red Blaze]

I'm so glad my forum isn't that big so where I'd recieve a number of PMs asking for some member back. Hell, I didn't let Flame in my forum 'cause I knew he'd steal again. I was hoping he DID change. DEATH TO HIM I SAYS!

[dorkiness]

So, Is he banned for life, or for a period of time?

[Sway]

Life is a long time. Let's just say it'd have to be several years before we'd consider letting him back in, to allow time for maturing.

[spark45]

i have a question. like you said that its easy to see that someone is platurizing, but what if they were practicing, and didnt tell anyone about it, and was learning how to do a sprite or comic or what ever the situation. and they post it on here, and one of the mods or admins think that person didnt make the sprite or what ever it is and banned him. im not standing up for flame, because i can clearly see he stole that comic, but im just asking this for future reference.

[Requiem]

Usually we won't act unless we're totally sure, though if we have serious doubts we might temporarily remove the work until things are sorted. As it happened this time though, someone in the staff had already seen this particular work credited to someone totally different, on another website.

[Tails0]

FLAME IS MATURE ENOUGH HE, IS 14!!!!
sometimes he cant comtol his mind
and often he feels lonley

He only wanted people to think of him as a funny person
But since flame is banned
PLEASE PROMISE ME THAT YOU'LL LET HIM BACK IN EVENTUALLY

[EnigmaEchidna]

What don't you get? He violated the TOS of SOL more than many times and got himself caught yet again. If he is depressed then let him seek professional help like many have or bring up his emotional problems to his family, teacehers, or anyone else.


FURTHER MORE, AND I' AM VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THIS...DON'T AND I SAY DON'T USE A FORM OF MEDICAL CONDITION SUCH AS DEPRESSION, ANXIETY, OR OCD AS A LEGIT EXCUSE. IT DOESN'T WORK IN A COURT ROOM AND WILL NOT WORK HERE!

[dorkiness]

Tails0, on Jan 23 2005, 04:19 PM, said:

FLAME IS MATURE ENOUGH HE, IS 14!!!!
sometimes he cant comtol his mind
and often he feels lonley

He only wanted people to think of him as a funny person
But since flame is banned
PLEASE PROMISE ME THAT YOU'LL LET HIM BACK IN EVENTUALLY

*Sigh* Age doesn't matter. He doesn't act mature, he should know better then to steal something.. that obivous!

And he should know how to spell/use grammar better then...

[Sway]

^^^ All very true, great points Enigma and dorki.

Look Tails, I know you don't like it, but Flame has had so many chances we've lost count. We never want to ban someone, but sometimes for the sake of the community we have to.

[Tails0]

DARN IT
I CANT BELEVE YOU GUYS
I CANT BELEVE YOU ALL HATE HIM

[EnigmaEchidna]

Nobody hates him nor do we hate you or people who defend him...but just let this die. Flame had a history of doing this and by claiming a work which was not his own is serious offense on this BBS and in a court of law. Don't just think that because of his age that this should slide by...because in truth it won't in any setting

[Sway]

Tails0, on Jan 23 2005, 02:44 PM, said:

DARN IT
I CANT BELEVE YOU GUYS
I CANT BELEVE YOU ALL HATE HIM 

You have the worst reading comprehension I have ever seen. And I've worked with Kindergartners.

[spark45]

well, face the facts. he is trying to steal peoples work. ok so if they let him stay, what do you think would happen. finds a sprite he likes, changes it, and says its his own creation. so tell me. would you rather have someone stay if they didnt steal and made their own creations and thoughts, or would you have someone that steals people's work and claims it as his own.

[Red Blaze]

Tails0, if he wants people to think good about him, let him be himself. He's trying to be someone he's not, and look where it brought him. He stole a friend of mine's custom sprite, and man... was it hell for Flame. So he did something, that's against the law. And saying "I'm so lonely and depressed", as said by Enigma, won't help.

I'm 20, and sometimes I act immature. So yeah, as said before, age means nothing... to a certain extent... herher. >=3

[death_entry]

bah flame doesn't need SOL he's got his own flourishing website

tails0 flame is gone.. wave byebye

[Invader Tails]

Yes plagarism is illegal, but Di$ney does it all the time so maybe flame is a follower of di$ney, but either way, down with di$ney!!!