[guernsey]

I guess all the hate for the new Sonic games is justified in that Sega could do more than that but is also something that varies from fan to fan. I myself don't hate all the 3D games but after playing them for a bit I see that anything post Heroes had rapidly dropping in quality. What annoys me is that Sonic Team has shown that they could still come with awesome games in the past, I don't understand why aren't they doing so now? I know it is always about the money inthe game industry but still I expected more bang for my buck but at least the music was good.

It became even more apparent that Sonic Team deosn't even care for Sonic as much as any other games they have when Sonic The Hedgehog was released. I played it before and it bored me to death, it lost that speed feel entirely, it had a lot of bugs that needed to be addressed and it is still in its beta stage. Why does Sonic need a new friend in every game? Even when Shadow had his own game, all the the characters including the Chaotix were there, it would had been better if they only kept a few key characters in the game.

I guess I can understand the frstartion of the the new games esepcailly when gameplay is concerned. Sonic outside the Advance and Rush games hadn't felt particularly speedy at all but Sonic Team ahd redeemed themselves somewhat with Unleashed in the day stages while everything was meh. I am not against all the 3D games but I kind of wonder how the recent Sonic games could had been better?

[???????]

I dunno, Advance 2 is a little too speedy for me and many others. As in, much of the game is just holding right. Not much exploration, getting Chaos Emeralds is an extremely difficult and tedious task, and you chased every boss. Thank goodness for Advance 3, which managed to be as fun as the Genesis games. To me, anyway. Well, save for the crap you had to go through to get the emeralds, although, compared to Advance 2's method, this was terrific.

With Sonic 4 being made by a combo of people who made the Genesis games and those of the Advance and Rush teams (Dimps), I'd say that they still care for Sonic a lot... Well, at least enough to realize that Sonic works best in 2D format. Why the game is on the iPhone and not the DSi and PSP Go still bugs me, though, because those seem better suited for this type of game and I can only imagine the game having terrible controls on the iPhone...

I agree with you about the games sucking past Heroes, though, the majority will claim that even that game sucked; Some may go as far to say that the Adventure games weren't that good and, although I loved the two, they'd have good reasoning to make that claim. I've played some of the day stages from Unleashed and, like you and many others, I would've considered the game significantly better if there were only day stages, or rather, you only played with regular Sonic regardless of time of day. Also, no Chip, hub areas, and more platforming. Of course, there are those who hated those levels as well...

This post has been edited by ???????: 10 June 2010 - 06:09 AM

[nick_phizz]

guernsey is indeed human. I could not fathom why or how a "newbie" (you have little posts at the moment so you gotta respect my wording) can speak or type with such grammar, punctuation, and most importantly sense. Maybe the whole term noob is just a figment of all of our imaginations, or that maybe I can quote that weird fellow from Family Guy and say "You're a big fat phony!!" Whatever the logic behind it, it is very peculiar and suspicious... that was until I say your spelling error, and deduced my first statement in a similar fashion to Robert Downey Jr. in a certain movie as of late...

Back on topic.. what was that again?

[asfastasyoucan]

I don’t hate all of the 3D Sonic games, just everything past Heroes.

Shadow the Hedgehog had terrible graphics, overused the word “damn”, and was WAY too long.

Sonic The Hedgehog 2006? Well I don’t think I need to explain much there.

Everything after that has pretty much been inconsistent with any of the Sonic franchise. None of the plots match up to one another, and the “Story Book Series” is just not fun. Needless to say, Werehogs SUCK.

I just want a Sonic game like Adventure 1 or 2. Is that so hard?

[Silver'sfollower]

Well, I don't find anything wrong wih the gameplay when I play 3D Sonic games. Occasinaly, i come across the common bug everyone else has, but that's it. (about once or twice in each game. A lot more on wii games) Except Sonic Adventure Chaos. There was a lot of glitches when I try to jump from platform to platform, then I just fell through to my death. And even though the game had it's moments, it was way too long.
Sonic Advance for the gameboy is just terrible in my opinion. The speed is very limited, and even when you can run fast you have to slow down to avoid falling over a cliff! And it's unbeliveably hard and fustrating.
Sonic and The Black Knight- to easy untill you get to king arthur. The first ending is lame, terrible and screams "we didn't even try!" The gameplay is too unresponsive too.
Sonic and The Secret Rings- also unrespoinsive controls, causing it to be way more harder then it needs to be. Playing fast, easy levels in fun though.
Sonic Unleashed-boring, awful, gameplay sucks, it's terrible.
Sonic 06 - besides Silver's story mode, Mulitplayer, and the extreme diffculty, I don't think it's that bad.
Shadow The Hedgehog- flexible storyline, awesome gameplay, and intresting story. I love this game.
And what about all the secret endings? There is a lot of secret endings in these games, and isn't that an indicator that sega is giving us more to play? More to offer?

[miles_prower]

Okay first off, the Advance games are fucking awesome, for a while they were the only redeeming games for Sonic. Now I have to ask, what is Sonic Adventure Chaos? Do you mean Sonic Adventure 1, or the chao mini game? Seriously what are you talking about. If you're bagging out Sonic Adventure 1, then you really should never speak again on these boards, and if it's the chao mini game, then you should never speak on this board again.

Sonic and the Black Knight is not a bad game, the only downside it was too easy, but the gameplay was solid compared to recent Sonic games.
Secret Rings was actually good, you do know that you hold the wii mote sideways right?
Unleashed, now if you're talking about the were-hog stages, then I'd agree with you, but the day time stages are extremely good and it actually felt like a proper game.
Sonic 06, I think you mean besides the entire game, it's still bad, probably the only redeeming part of that game was Silver actually trying to kill Sonic and then Mephilis actually does (if you don't want spoilers just don't look at my sig) and the music ofcourse.
Now Shadow the Hedgehog, were should I start... you had a camera that you had to fight, you'd have to kill your allies to open a door, you drove around in a car? Seroiusly was this meant to be Devil May Cry + GTA with Sonic, upped with the 4kids suckiness metre?

I could rant about this longer, but I take it everyone else is bored. The only decent 3D Sonic games (as long as you know how to actually play them) are the Adventures and the story book spin offs.

[Silver'sfollower]

Well, i am not exactly sure what it is called, but it's the one where you can play as Amy (you can't play as her in Sonic adventure 2 or 1)
Besides, I never played Sonic Adventure 1, I was only.. about, four or five when it came out? I am not even sure what it's about.
Wy do you have to be so mean? Why is there so many mean people on this board?

[Gold_TSG]

You can play as Amy in SA1...

This post has been edited by Gold_TSG: 29 July 2010 - 02:46 AM

[miles_prower]

And you can multiplayer as Amy as well in SA2... so which game are you talking about, because Amy is playable in a lot of games. Are you talking about a fan game?


Oh just to let you know, I'm one of the nice guys on this bored, because I've practically just told you what you shouldn't say in the future if you don't want to annoy anyone.

This post has been edited by miles_prower: 28 July 2010 - 09:11 PM

["That Other Guy"]

???????, on 10 June 2010 - 12:07 AM, said:

getting Chaos Emeralds is an extremely difficult and tedious task,

You have to admit, this is pretty much the case for most of the 2D games. The inherent problem being they always try to incorporate a 3D level into a 2D game, which is just a Cyclops' dodgeball nightmare.

This post has been edited by "That Other Guy": 28 July 2010 - 10:01 PM

[Silver'sfollower]

Amy has her own storyline in this one. In one of Amy's levels, you have to go through some sort of carnival level to escape from gamma, but you have to escape off Eggamn's ship later anyway.
It's the one where Eggman is trying to collect the seven chaos emeralds to feed to chaos so he can grow into his full form and you have to stop him. He is the final boss in Sonic's story.

[???????]

That's Sonic Adventure, Amy was running away from Zero, Gamma freed Amy, and Chaos is the final boss of Sonic's second story.

"That Other Guy, on 28 July 2010 - 05:00 PM, said:

You have to admit, this is pretty much the case for most of the 2D games. The inherent problem being they always try to incorporate a 3D level into a 2D game, which is just a Cyclops' dodgeball nightmare.

Eh, I was talking about actually getting into the stages. For the most part, the special stages themselves tend to be easy, which is probably why Dimps made it so much harder to get into them in the Advance games. Fuck up once and you have to do an entire damn stage over again just to get back in.

[guernsey]

And in Sonic Heroes, aMy has a team of her own but nowadays she is only a cheerleader for Sonic and the others.

[Silver'sfollower]

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That's Sonic Adventure, Amy was running away from Zero, Gamma freed Amy, and Chaos is the final boss of Sonic's second story.

Oh, okay. I haven't played it in a long time, and I barely remember it untill I mentioned it here.

[KJ]

I'm going to have to agree with the majority of everyone here; everything post Sonic Adventure 2 have just gone down in quality. However, Sonic Heroes was an enjoyable game to me, so that's probably the exception. I think what Sega's problem is is that they think they need some gimmick to sell their game. I understand that Sonic is very appealing to young children, but Sonic didn't need to go lycan on us to appeal to that audience. Unleashed would have been SO much better without the werehog nonsense.

[Silver'sfollower]

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I'm going to have to agree with the majority of everyone here; everything post Sonic Adventure 2 have just gone down in quality. However, Sonic Heroes was an enjoyable game to me, so that's probably the exception. I think what Sega's problem is is that they think they need some gimmick to sell their game. I understand that Sonic is very appealing to young children, but Sonic didn't need to go lycan on us to appeal to that audience. Unleashed would have been SO much better without the werehog nonsense.

I totally agree. I read in Nintendo Power in a Sonic Colors article that Sega was trying to add these new elements in the sonic games to complment gameplay, but as we all know, it only ruined the game. I hope sega will finnaly learn what their doing wrong and get back to the basics. After Sega's promise to make things better in Sonic '06, and most people claiming it's the worst game yet, I have doubts about Sonic Colors.

[Muzzy Roberto]

I recently replayed SA1 for shits n' giggles. I remember being quite fond of it for various reasons that escape me right now, but I did *NOT* enjoy this playthough. Fond memories, time, and alcohol must've blocked all the bad memories about this game. Shitty controls, shitty camera, running through a bridge... running off a bridge by turning on it... Yeah. Pretty sad. And then the Egg Viper... oooh.... that Egg Viper had me yelling up a storm as i would Pop Dr. Robotnik, then fall *THROUGH* him and into the abyss below. Even the chao garden was awful. The only good part was Amy's chapter, where much booze was consumed. My favorite part was when you get the Dual katanas then werewolves start attacking you.

Tl;dr: Speed, 3-d environments, and bad coding do NOT go together.

[Muzzy Roberto]

Also, something else no one mentioned, is that Sonic didn't start dipping into ludicrous, inconsistent, and terrible plots until the 3-D ones. Even the newer 2-D ones (Well, up to SAdv3...) didn't even really HAVE a storyline, outside of a blurb in the manual. And, I know I'm probably speaking for myself here, but SA2 would have been leagues better if there wasn't any sort of contrived plot to follow.
None of that mushy Maria nonsense to muck up Shadow. No hokey side-switch for Rouge, and no forced love/hate relation for Rouge and Knuckles.

now, yes, the Old 2-D games had just as hokey plots, but if you didn't bother to read the manual, you wouldn't know about it. There weren't any cutscenes with hideous voice acting and sync problems to muck up the whole 'Go FAST' feel of the game. You wanted to just tear ass? TOO BAD. Tails has a problem, and he's gonna tell you what it is, and no matter how many buttons you press, you HAVE to watch it.


Just sayin'.

[Gold_TSG]

80% agreement on my end.

[SonicFang]

I love all the Sonic games that come out. Sure, there may be glitches and stuff, but I would rather use them for more fun and entertainment than whine about them every single time one appears...