[Arc]

The six month profits Nintendo was expecting dove over 50%. I called sucking the casual gamer cock was going to eventually drive them down, as did many others, and I think we are starting to see the downturn. It took a little while, but the Wii like all fads is starting to fade. Why? A majority of the games suck. The crap to good ratio has finally pulled it down. You can only sell Wii Sports so many times before no one cares. I will also argue the last strong software title pushed out was Mario Galaxy. The only other big names all hold the phrase, "Good for a Wii game" (See Mad World and a few others).

Yeah I know Nintendo still has boat loads of cash, but they just had a huge loss, 52% loss with earning being 2.2 billion, means they lost upwards of 2 billion they predicted. If Nintendo wants to stay king they better produce some good software outside of Wii-Something, IE, for the regular gaming market...

[???????]

You know, given your tone, I can't help but feel that you're kinda happy that Nintendo took such a huge hit. But, ouch, that had to hurt!

Arc, on 29 October 2009 - 11:24 PM, said:

I will also argue the last strong software title pushed out was Mario Galaxy.

I think Brawl was more popular than Galaxy.

Arc, on 29 October 2009 - 11:24 PM, said:

The only other big names all hold the phrase, "Good for a Wii game" (See Mad World and a few others).

...and this means? Aside from being graphically inferior, not having as much content due to disc space, and having no potential DLC, what exactly would stop these games from being good on the 360 or PS3?

As for games meant for the normal gamer, there were quite a few worth mentioning from the last E3. Yeah, there was still a bunch of generic shit, but the good games they did mention were great.

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[Rugdog]

Yeah both the Wii and Ds have a lot of crap.

But the good stuff is soo good that it outweighs the crap. You just have to know what you're getting. Don't buy shovelware and it will stop being made. The companies want money so if people stop buying it, they'll stop making it.

[???????]

The casual and child gamers have very different tastes from and greatly outnumber mainstream gamers, hence why shit/really generic games tend to thrive.

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[Arc]

???????, on 30 October 2009 - 05:44 AM, said:

I think Brawl was more popular than Galaxy.

Whoops I thought Galaxy came out last year around Christmas time. Alright then the last strong title was Smash Bros.

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Aside from being graphically inferior, not having as much content due to disc space, and having no potential DLC, what exactly would stop these games from being good on the 360 or PS3?

You pretty much spell out all the issues the Wii has. It has shit graphics, a severe lack of content and crippled online system. All things that make it compete less. Factor in the Wii only costs about $100 less than the PS3 and like $50 less than a 360, it is ridiculous. Also good for a Wii game comes from most of the non-Nintendo titles sucking more cock than a cheap whore. The library has so much shit, fans will accept a lot less polished games for the Wii. The 360 and PS3 have a far less forgiving standard.

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As for games meant for the normal gamer, there were quite a few worth mentioning from the last E3. Yeah, there was still a bunch of generic shit, but the good games they did mention were great.

Umm, what has come out that they mentioned yet? MP Trilogy was tragically ignored for no good reason, and other than that I can't think of any Wii game post-Brawl that could be worth talking about.

[???????]

Arc, on 30 October 2009 - 08:32 PM, said:

Whoops I thought Galaxy came out last year around Christmas time. Alright then the last strong title was Smash Bros.

Galaxy came out just before Christmas time in '07, exactly 1 day after Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn.

Arc, on 30 October 2009 - 08:32 PM, said:

You pretty much spell out all the issues the Wii has. It has shit graphics, a severe lack of content and crippled online system. All things that make it compete less. Factor in the Wii only costs about $100 less than the PS3 and like $50 less than a 360, it is ridiculous. Also good for a Wii game comes from most of the non-Nintendo titles sucking more cock than a cheap whore. The library has so much shit, fans will accept a lot less polished games for the Wii. The 360 and PS3 have a far less forgiving standard.

While the graphics may be terrible in a lot of 3D games, some of them have gotten around the Wii's limitations, for the most part. The best examples I can think of right now are Corruption and probably any cel-shaded game.

As for DLC and online play, I could use the excuse that, unlike Sony and Microsoft, they're mostly inexperienced when it comes to this type of thing (though, if I'm remembering correctly, there were certain games, like Kirby's Air Ride and Mario Kart: Double Dash, that could be played online). Plus, Nintendo's offering free online play via WiFi, which ranges from fast to acceptable to barely playable. I'm not gonna pretend that I know the difference between what Nintendo's doing and what Microsoft and Sony are, but I have a really strong feeling that the fact that they're requiring you to pay for online play means that they're offering something much better. As for the friend code thing, yeah, I'll agree that was a really terrible idea and the only reason I can think of anyone ever wanting to use a system like that is to protect children. Who, until Wii Speak (which is only compatible with a grand total of six games, all of which were released at the same time or after Wii Speak was) came out, had little to no way of communicating with potential threats.

About the all the pure shit that gets released, according to an EGM article that addressed this very issue, unlike Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo doesn't check to see if a game is actually good before allowing it to be released. I think that they used to, but if they did, that was years ago.

Arc, on 30 October 2009 - 08:32 PM, said:

Umm, what has come out that they mentioned yet? MP Trilogy was tragically ignored for no good reason, and other than that I can't think of any Wii game post-Brawl that could be worth talking about.

I'll agree that Trilogy shouldn't've been ignored, but, to be fair, outside of mainstream gamers, Metroid games aren't all that popular in the first place and most of the people who wanted to play the Prime games already had them, though, there are a lot of people like me who'd buy it anyway.

As for games mentioned at E3 already released, I can't think of anything else right now, but what about Muramasa: The Demon Blade? I haven't played it yet, but from what I read, outside of being "criticized it for its lack of a climax" by Famitsu, the game is supposedly fun. With the game seeming to have received mixed reviews when it made it stateside, with one of the negative reviewers (from XPlay) going as far as to call it the best Wii game of '09, but explicitly stated that this doesn't make it a good game, I'm probably gonna give it a good rent before I actually cast my final judgement on the game.

[Arc]

http://www.gamespot....ws/6241578.html

So it looks like the Wii biffed on console sales for Black Friday week too. It looks like all them crazy people who said the PS3 would slowly start to shift back to the front by the end of 2012 might be right...

[Kvitne]

Hmmm, I'm not so sure about that. It's true that PS3 sales have been increasing this year, but the 360 is still doing well from what I've seen, and there aren't really any trends that I've seen that indicate that it's going to overtake Microsoft's console in two years.

But then again, I haven't seen any trends that indicate that it wont, so I'm not going to speculate.

[Sway]

I have to admit I laugh at how terrible the scaled-back versions of multi-platform games end up being on the Wii. It has a few gems, but I'm very happy with my 360 in comparison. And I have a huge boner for Project Natal whenever that actually happens.

[Requiem]

360 For Win.

PS3 and 360 are pretty level when using global sales stats, though.

Edit: Okay, I tell a lie. Some sources say there is a difference of 4 million. Other sources say the PS3 has told more. Others say the XBox 360 has sold more by a million or so. Who knows.

[Arc]

Kvitne, on 01 December 2009 - 12:25 AM, said:

Hmmm, I'm not so sure about that. It's true that PS3 sales have been increasing this year, but the 360 is still doing well from what I've seen, and there aren't really any trends that I've seen that indicate that it's going to overtake Microsoft's console in two years.

But then again, I haven't seen any trends that indicate that it wont, so I'm not going to speculate.

As pointed out in Requiem pointed out, the numbers are kinda hodgepodge. The difference in my opinion is the PS3 is starting to pick up sales. Given that BlueRay is now taking off for home entertainment, and also the RRoD is such a common phenomenon now that most people have their suspicions of the 360, I feel like the PS3 has a good chance to make it back to being the industry leader.

I also have to say the idea of having a controller motion sensor thing with force feedback in my opinion will provide better gaming. The random flailing Natal and Wii propose I don't like as much. It doesn't have a real feeling to it. I think people will like having a physical response more than the lack of one.

[NiGHTS Noob]

PS3 does have a YLoD. Not quite as common as RRoD, but more than enough to be a problem. It's caused by the exact same design flaw, and with PS3 sales picking up it might start to be more of a problem.

Hardcore Gaming's little article on it.

Informative Youtube video on it.

[Sway]

I thought MS finally solved the RRoD problem in their new, post-middle-of-2008-or-so models?

[Arc]

I can't go a week without hearing someone just experienced a red ring on their 360. I think the problem has been lessened but not removed. The YloD doesn't have nearly as high percentages. Also given that the PS3 is running neck and neck with the 360 in sales, the fact it hasn't become a RRoD issue shows that is probably not going to be. Though hey, Sony makes shitty consoles from time to time, DREs anyone?

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Those links are pretty much just fight the powah nerds. The reason RRoD became huge and not YloD isn't some Sony agenda, the issue is a .5% defective rate. That number is so dumbly small that it doesn't deserve to be worried about. If it was bigger, we'd have the legions of burning pitch forks like with the 360 and the RRoD.

This post has been edited by Arc: 02 December 2009 - 02:46 AM

[NiGHTS Noob]

You do know that was the same bullshit Microsoft fed way back when, right? They claimed it was 3-5%, when it was actually 30% at the time. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out the rate is much higher.

Even if it's not though, .5% is one out of every 200 consoles, with over 27,000,000 out there right now that's approximately 135,000 that will fail. That's quite a few in the context of the issue, and with sales picking up it's only going to climb higher. If it was an immediate failure so you could just return it that would make sense and not be worthy of note, but since it usually happens after the 1-year warranty is up it's a bigger issue.

This post has been edited by NiGHTS Noob: 02 December 2009 - 04:05 AM

[Requiem]

Out of interest: is there any reliable information available to prove 30% of XBox 360s were failing? Taking a figure of 20 million consoles, you'd be talking about 6 million failing. That's an incredibly high number and I would have expected to see people bitching on every forum across the web with such a high number. Thing is: I didn't. You know the phrase: Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

[NiGHTS Noob]

Wiki isn't always the most reliable, but in this case most of the sources have been cited. None of these sources are 100% reliable either, but the thing is that this is the best we can go on since Microsoft kept refusing that it was a problem and never released any real statistics.

360 Failure rate

As you can see, the sources all have wildly different claims. The general consensus though is that the failure rate was at least 15%, one source claimed 2/3rds of them failed, and everything else falls somewhere in the middle. The biggest problem with this is that many consumers didn't do the proper research, so they didn't know which red rings meant critical failure and which were just little start up problems. That's why at the peak the reported failure rate, and the number sent in to Microsoft was much higher. Now that all other red rings have been removed and the design of 360's has been updated the failure rate is supposedly under 4%, still bad, but not crazy.

So, my 30% was off, but if it really was at least 15% that's still pretty damn big.

[Season-Shifter]

Ylod is often caused by an overheating PS3 in a bad environment, especially when dust can clog the vents. The PS3, which may be able to double as a George Foreman grill, can, in harsh circumstances, heat up enough to soften up the solder under the Cell Processor and RSX chips, causing them to lose connection, and therefore the system displays the yellow light during the startup sequence. The yellow light shows up when something internally is not functioning. While not common, it can be caused by a broken fan even.

Either way, if your warranty is up on your PS3 and it YLODs, it's not a huge deal to get it working again. If the solder still exists, it can be reflowed with a heatgun at around 350 degrees and a bit of pressure on the chips in question. Google it.